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    Thanks for the replies. It is helping me decide on what I’m going to do.

    When I posted last night I was leaning towards the two power meters, mostly because of cost, but after reading some of these posts I’ll probably go the smart trainer route.

    @Quadzilla_Jr made a great point. I place more value on training with power indoors. All of my structured training is indoors and it makes more sense to have the smart trainer. When I’m riding outdoors, it’s usually racing, riding with friends, or unstructured solo riding. So a PM is not really needed.

    @trpnhntr’s point was something I considered but then I also realized that my indoor and outdoor FTP might not match anyway so it doesn’t matter that I have the same model PM on both bikes.

    I considered pedals but I have Time ATAC mtb pedals on all three of my bikes and I don’t want to change that. I also considered a powertab hub, but I don’t want to have to keep moving a wheel from bike to bike.


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    @dcrainmaker thank you! I am impressed that you have or made the time to post. I am anxious about the toaster as I cannot pull the trigger on a higher end trainer. My KK Road machine is bulletproof.


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    That seems like a bit of a copout to me considering MAP is not defined for a specific duration and the step changes and duration are arbitrary. Researchers have been 1-3 min steps with the 2.5 min steps the most referenced. Did he say how he settled on 3 mins?


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    Since Steve Neal is in Toronto, I assume he is using the Canadian standard. Believe this doc has the current Canadian Cycling Association ramp protocol with 3-minute stages: https://www.cyclingcanada.ca/disciplines/sites/default/files/CCA%20National%20Lab%20Testing%20Protocols%20-%20V%204%205(1).pdf

    and a year or two ago I bookmarked this article:

    as I found it well written. As tshortt and I were discussing, pick a protocol and stick with it. MAP is a performance marker, the exact values aren’t as important as being able to use it to evaluate the effectiveness of training over time.


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  • 11/22/19--10:10: Power Profile Questions
  • @tomblack, I found my self in the same spot with the same questions and stumbled upon your post via the search function. Great job with the questions!!

    Did you change up any of your training to account for your then current profile? If so did you notice any benefits?

    I’m surprised more folks didn’t respond to this.


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    Anyone in the know with UK sellers? The neo has dropped but nothing else… and especially to ^^^^ that level


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    Seems reasonable, unless you have anything hard scheduled for Tuesday. You could also replace Geiger with an endurance ride if you want to keep everything in the same week and have fresh legs for McAdie.


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  • 11/22/19--10:25: Anyone have the Neo 2T?
  • I purchased my 2T about two weeks ago now and have had nothing but good experience. I don’t have any other power meters to compare it to, so I can’t speak on that. Aside from having the cadence issue that was fixed by the latest firmware update, it has been flawless


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  • 11/22/19--10:35: Anyone have the Neo 2T?
  • Yes I am thinking the same when I get it today. I do have the 4iiii to compare it to but wont fret too much if there are slight variances. Plan to use the 2t as the sole power measurement inside and my 4iiii outside after my first test where I will record on both.


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    next week is recovery week. so i feel like i can skip some, next week.


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    Some CFMs are just flat out wrong. Usually overstated.

    And if the CFMs are actually right, yes, not all CFMs are created equal. CFM from a blower style fan like the Lasko is in a lot more focused airstream, so better for cooling on the bike. Whereas CFM from an axial fan tends to blow all over the place.


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    But in the protocol it says to record the best total 3 min max power avg which I assume they are using as the MAP value


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    RIGHT! Yes, shifting McAdie and Galena by a day is definitely reasonable.


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    I wouldn’t say Joe is unbiased, in fact I believe he says in the podcast he biased but believes its important to see the research on both sides.


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    :rofl:


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    Yes my understanding is you record the peak power for “a stage.” So MAP is suppose to be best 1-minute for 1-minute stages, and best 2.5-minute power for 2.5-minute stages, etc.


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    A few things:

    1. Listening back to the podcast, I find your analysis skewed. I did not speak ill of any brands. As @stevemz said, I simply mentioned the fact that the higher up the spec range you go, the suspension/chassis pairings will improve. Bike brands put lower end shocks and forks on their lower price point builds, and it’s a good thing! That’s one of the things that makes them affordable. However, not a lot of people recognize that the bike may have been developed with a different shock, or at least different shock tune than the one on their bike, or that they fall outside of the bell curve for the shock tune on their current bike.

    2. Linkage design is only a portion of the suspension performance equation. A shock can completely change the progressivity of a bike. Since shocks change up and down a spec range for a specific model, this can mean a difference in suspension performance. For example, the custom tune (custom shim stacks, oil, volume spacers, etc.) developed by Yeti for the SB150 never performed well for me. With all 5 volume spacers to get the initial stroke correct, I lacked mid-stroke support and bottom out resistance. I got a replacement Float X2 from Fox with a standard mid tune, and the bike performs much better for me. The rear suspension design didn’t change, but the shock switch changed the performance of the rear suspension. Shock tunes, and certainly shock models have a profound effect on suspension performance, but many people don’t know this when they are buying a bike.

    3. I understand the accusation of bias. I’ve mentioned on the podcast multiple times that I ride for Yeti, and I don’t expect anybody to view anything I say about them without bias. That said, I’m honest and transparent in everything I share. I should also mention that I don’t need to ride for anybody – I choose to. In fact, if Yeti chose to drop me at any point, my garage wouldn’t look any different. I ride their bikes because I love how they ride, and from a brand perspective, they align with my “why”. I don’t think there is a “best bike brand” or a “best bike”. We’re privileged to live in a time where we are spoiled with choice and have brands building bikes for our specific use cases. It’s awesome!

    I know Yeti is a polarizing brand, and people either seem to love or hate them. The only thing I would ask is if you are going to accuse me of bias, doing so from an unbiased position would be more productive than meeting supposed bias with opposing bias. That makes for unproductive conversation, when all we really want to do here is help people get faster.


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    Yep. Which is why the TR ramp test overestimates for some people. My plan for start of next year training is to reduce the TR ramp test number by about 5% and start with that.


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    I promise to never record during these moments, hehe.

    I’ve actually never done this. Kinda nervous, tbh, haha.


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  • 11/22/19--10:52: Build makes me blow up!
  • Hi. Every time I do Sweetspot Base och Triathlon Base program I will end up with a higher FTP.
    And when I move forward to Build, I always blow up!
    I do the Low volume.
    Any one more than me with this problem?


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    I was rather sarcastic


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    my bad.


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    Maybe try it out in the rain first? Then you’re already soaked anyway, and it washes off before it gets to your socks!


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    I can’t help but think of the Seinfeld episode where George is at the bookstore, and takes the book into the bathroom.


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    Good thinking. I guess this is something I’m not exactly eager to try though, haha.


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  • 11/22/19--10:59: Build makes me blow up!
  • How are you setting your ftp?


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    I heard a rumor that Depends is going to get into the chamois market :wink:


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    i wonder why steve has decided to do it differently?


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    Another way to get athletes to dial down the intensity? Shrugs.


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  • 11/22/19--11:15: The Ironman In 2020 Thread
  • Check our the running thread, there is some marathon focus there and a 2020. Weston will start soon.


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    The talk about peeing on the bike just reminded me of a story that Sepp Kuss told on Payson Mcelveen’s podcast a while ago about peeing during Strade Bianche. It is super funny.


    Happens around 57:30 into it. Don’t listen if you think the guys on AACC interrupt eachother because this is a whole other level. Its Payson, Howard Grotts, Chris Blevins, and Sepp all together and there are beers involved.

    P.S. Definitely check out the rest of the episodes. The rest aren’t as disorganized and are usually 1on1s with some super interesting people.


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  • 11/22/19--11:21: Anyone using a Whoop?
  • I put my initial problem down to my body being warmer for the second interval I performed and therefore that strap was slightly tighter and helped with reading. I saw it happen twice where later through a workout readings improved and were what I expected. I suspect during your race you got warm and caused some expansion of your wrist which lead to it being too tight.
    How I plan to work, given I have one wrist slightly larger than the other is move the strap to the bigger wrist during workouts so its a little tighter and then move to other wrist for remainder of day. Hopefully I don’t get to point that strap cuts off enough circulation during a workout my hand goes numb like yours did @CoachNate!


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    Payson does a great job with his podcast! I bet a lot of folks on here would love it.


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  • 11/22/19--11:28: Build makes me blow up!
  • Specific workouts or the Build plans in general? How much does your FTP rise by? What happens if you try the SSB or TB plans again with that new FTP?

    It might be that you are biased towards Sweet Spot or similar and struggle on VO2, etc.


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  • 11/22/19--11:31: The Ironman In 2020 Thread
  • Id love to say “yes” but I’m only exploring indoor running seriously now. So far it seems;

    1. Way less mature than indoor cycling - which surprises me.

    2. Running mechanics and run form is not the same as running outside.

    3. Pacing indoors is harder than outdoors.

    Im mixing indoor and outdoor at the moment, while I can see potential value in intervals and tempo runs, the fact that treadmills have unknown velocity combined with tricky calibration of devices reduces likelihood of realising the benefit.


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    I am using a Apple Watch myself. Though I wouldn’t want to use it for TrainerRoad.
    The watch measures HR less frequently than for instance the Wahoo Tickr does. This renders the data from shorter training intervals (burst) useless.
    Also the battery life is a nightmare. I mean it’s good for a working day which includes a normal workout. Though it fails to cover a long day in the saddle. So you would still need a chest belt to cover that.
    Hence I would rather see the guys from TR working on other features. Like an Apple TV App. :slight_smile:


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    Keep in mind, besides establishing MAP, he’s primarily using it to compare to the SECOND part of one of his tests. FaCT Lactate Balance Point. He needs to be able to compare the power in the first part of the test (the ramp) to the HR and lactate in the second part of the test (recovery and sub-theshold ramp). 3 min increments makes that more of an apples to apples comparison

    And so the discussion of lactate begins! Have fun, guys! Be nice :stuck_out_tongue:


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  • 11/22/19--11:56: Build makes me blow up!
  • Could it be that you carry too much fatigue into build? Especially if you have seen bigger gains from base beforehand…